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      Njan ivide undu!

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      Quote Originally Posted by sethumadhavan View Post
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      OK Guys...3 is good enuf to start now...lets see how it goes

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      LETS START BY ANSWERING THIS

      1) Why don't we see a Kilukkam or Punjabi House especially during season release?

      2) Why majority actors including Big Ms preferring to do Dark Themed movies whether its Lucifer or Priest while remaining goes to Realistic films?

      3) Has the truth popped out saying that its more challenging to be a Priyadarshan or Joshiy over Dileesh Pothen or Mahesh Narayanan?

      4) Is the lack of entertainers reason behind the success of many formulaic movies led by Vijay and co from other states?

      5) Finally, will Marakkar will be the answer for the long awaiting big screen entertainer?
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      Have to head off very soon but hope for an interesting live discussion, so let me respond briefly to the questions posed. Will contribute further tomorrow as a follow-up once everyone has posted their thoughts.

      1) because it is no longer 'cool' to have such entertainers and the filmmakers behind those entertainers are not in form so much, be it Siddique-Lal, Rafi/Shafi etc. Also the absence of Dileep and non-emergence of comedy oriented stars has not helped this in one bit. Plus audience's tastes have changed to darker movies...I saw Adam Joan in a packed hall way back in 2017 though that was an Onam release!

      2) Majority actors especially in the new-gen category lack comic timing (except Nivin and he doesnt want to be typecast). It is harder to make people laugh as you need a multitude of facial expressions. It is easier to stay poker-faced and serious behind such themed movies than go for comedy films. Realistic films are the flavour of the season for now and Fahadh et al are jumping behind this bandwagon. It is also an attempt to a) copy Hollywood films and b) show that you are understanding the political climate as we are living in increasingly polarised times.

      3) It's more challenging to be a big-budget filmmaker than a Dileesh Pothen or Mahesh N. Largely because so many directors are debuting and able to hit the jackpot with small-scale realistic films. Yet it is harder for many of these directors to strike gold twice or 3 times. Actually more than Priyadarshan or Joshiy I would venture the name of Jeethu Joseph. In this age of technical gimmicks he is still winning audiences over through his script and storytelling ability. The former two have yet to prove themselves in their more recent films (Porinju being a good one-time watch AFA Joshi is concerned).

      4) A resounding yes. And also the glamour quotent that those films attract which Malayalam cinema is avoiding for good reason is another reason behind their success.

      5) No. I dont think Marakkar will be a complete BO success due to its budget though it will be a must-watch in theaters. It may run more like a Kalapani and Priyan may take a more realistically minded film than what some industry pundits are claiming. I think instead Aarattu will be the next big-screen mass entertainer experience for now.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Aravind Krishnan View Post
      Have to head off very soon but hope for an interesting live discussion, so let me respond briefly to the questions posed. Will contribute further tomorrow as a follow-up once everyone has posted their thoughts.

      1) because it is no longer 'cool' to have such entertainers and the filmmakers behind those entertainers are not in form so much, be it Siddique-Lal, Rafi/Shafi etc. Also the absence of Dileep and non-emergence of comedy oriented stars has not helped this in one bit. Plus audience's tastes have changed to darker movies...I saw Adam Joan in a packed hall way back in 2017 though that was an Onam release!

      2) Majority actors especially in the new-gen category lack comic timing (except Nivin and he doesnt want to be typecast). It is harder to make people laugh as you need a multitude of facial expressions. It is easier to stay poker-faced and serious behind such themed movies than go for comedy films. Realistic films are the flavour of the season for now and Fahadh et al are jumping behind this bandwagon. It is also an attempt to a) copy Hollywood films and b) show that you are understanding the political climate as we are living in increasingly polarised times.

      3) It's more challenging to be a big-budget filmmaker than a Dileesh Pothen or Mahesh N. Largely because so many directors are debuting and able to hit the jackpot with small-scale realistic films. Yet it is harder for many of these directors to strike gold twice or 3 times. Actually more than Priyadarshan or Joshiy I would venture the name of Jeethu Joseph. In this age of technical gimmicks he is still winning audiences over through his script and storytelling ability. The former two have yet to prove themselves in their more recent films (Porinju being a good one-time watch AFA Joshi is concerned).

      4) A resounding yes. And also the glamour quotent that those films attract which Malayalam cinema is avoiding for good reason is another reason behind their success.

      5) No. I dont think Marakkar will be a complete BO success due to its budget though it will be a must-watch in theaters. It may run more like a Kalapani and Priyan may take a more realistically minded film than what some industry pundits are claiming. I think instead Aarattu will be the next big-screen mass entertainer experience for now.
      Have to add for 2)...the Big Ms are influenced by SM trends towards darker films especially Mammotty who is tech-savvy and keeps up with latest trends. In Mohanlal's case I think his closer friendship with Prithviraj during and post Lucifer is inspiring him to take darker themed roles and films and I for one am liking it though hope it won't become a typecast situation in the long run. Then there are folks like Fahadh who want to only do dark-themed roles as per his own confession.

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      Quote Originally Posted by intexaqua View Post
      LETS START BY ANSWERING THIS

      1) Why don't we see a Kilukkam or Punjabi House especially during season release?

      2) Why majority actors including Big Ms preferring to do Dark Themed movies whether its Lucifer or Priest while remaining goes to Realistic films?

      3) Has the truth popped out saying that its more challenging to be a Priyadarshan or Joshiy over Dileesh Pothen or Mahesh Narayanan?

      4) Is the lack of entertainers reason behind the success of many formulaic movies led by Vijay and co from other states?

      5) Finally, will Marakkar will be the answer for the long awaiting big screen entertainer?
      Also I must add for 1), Malayalam cinema is really suffering from the absence of heroines with comic timing...Many of these festival films like Kilukkam or films starring Urvashi, Manju Warrier in her first innings et al. If the heroes are struggling to make people laugh, the heroines of this generation even someone as talented as Parvathy have no interest in taking up full time comic roles. The industry is also missing a powerhouse actress like Kalpana who entertained the audiences right till the end in recent times.

      Moreover these festival films rely heavily on good quality music and the likes of Vidyasagar, Berny Ignatius etc had a major role to play in those days. That is absent now as the Malayalam music scene today is IMHO pathetic to say the least.
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      not straightforward questions with simple answers. Making good entertainers is not easy, and at least now, we must start appreciating that fact. That's why even Priyadarshan doesn't try to do the kind of films that he did in his heyday. I think the way audience feedback reaches the filmmakers these days has changed. Earlier it was more perceived through the reactions in theaters. Now, it is more direct through the comments and reviews of almost everyone on social media. The makers I think are under a kind of subconscious pressure to cater to the keyboard rather than to the screen. And, the internet is dominated by the youth who have more exposure to international content and whose tastes are dictated by the global OTT content.
      Another reason I beleive is crucial in Malayalm cinema is the lack of quality character actors, which we had by the hoards in the 80s and 90s. I can' think of a single supporting actress who can fill the shoes of SUkumari or KPSC Lalitha. Or, we do not have substitutes for Oduvil, Shankaradi, Karamana, who used to light up every movie. Even Mamukkoya looks like a legend compared to support cast we have today. Not that we have bad actors, but they are leagues behind the natural geniuses of the 80s and 90s.

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      Thanks Aravind....I happen to run through Minnaram remake Hungama 2 in Hotstar....Actually Priyan tried his level best to bring back what he did best in Hindi. But what I saw was some poor actors in the lead cast or actors who just couldn't match the original.

      Mohanlal, Shobhana, Thilakan were replaced by Meezan Jaffery, Pranitha & Ashutosh.....Do remember that 8 National Award winners v/s 2 rookies and a fine actor. Ashutosh just couldn't match Thilakan at all. Except Shilpa Shetty, rest of the cast were familiar faces of 90s (except Rajpal Yadav) in character roles. What I realized is Priyadarshan is totally struggling with his actors who did the job for him. Now he doesn't have Jagathy or Pappu or even Sreenivasan (full form) with him. And in Malayalam entertainers or 80s or 90s, you can see the presence of brilliant actors. I seriously believe that Salimkumar, Soraaj, Harishree Ashokan etc were over the top in their performance along with Dileep. Still audience accepted them.

      Now coming to present era, there is Ajju Varghese, Hareesh Kanaran etc etc who just don't have the stuff that can be compared with Jagathy or Pappu or Innocent etc. This led to failure of entertainers. We also have some irritating actors like Dharmajan Bolgatty, Nirmal Sahadevan who always look artificial instead of making us feel that they are the character. I always feel whenever these people come onscreen, a comic scene is must and 99% its forced.

      Ittymani might be the last movie Mohanlal tried comedy. But see the supporting cast. I agree the writing was bad but to elevate that movie, except Mohanlal or experienced Siddhique and KPAC, I didn't see anyone showing any sign of brilliance.

      So as bottomline, there are no actors like 80s and 90s that did the job for directors like Priyan or Rafi

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      I also think that cinema is overanalyzed these days. You can literally feel the intellectual pressure on the internet to lean on something that is more metaphorical than direct. I mean, it's ok to use metaphors. But, why use metaphors when things can be said directly. And there is also a tendency to leave things for the audiences to interpret or 'decode'. That is another aspect of cinema tastes being confused with intellectual standards. It' a global trend. We see that in Nolan films. Particularly Dunkirk, where a perfectly entertaining and inspiring linear plot was turned into three parallel relative timelines, the only fathomable reason for which was to appear intellectually superior to other films. Old-school filmmakers like Spielberg never fall for that kind of trap. You can see that in Malayalam cinema too. The old-school directors like Priyadarshan or Sibi or Sathyan or Fazil never left things open for interpretation. But, Malik had left so many things open ended! I think if analysis of cinema eases off a bit, then filmmakers too will start thinking about more simpler and entertaining subjects. More than Marakkar, I'm interested in seeing what Aarattu has to offer!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Aravind Krishnan View Post
      Also I must add for 1), Malayalam cinema is really suffering from the absence of heroines with comic timing...Many of these festival films like Kilukkam or films starring Urvashi, Manju Warrier in her first innings et al. If the heroes are struggling to make people laugh, the heroines of this generation even someone as talented as Parvathy have no interest in taking up full time comic roles. The industry is also missing a powerhouse actress like Kalpana who entertained the audiences right till the end in recent times.

      Moreover these festival films rely heavily on good quality music and the likes of Vidyasagar, Berny Ignatius etc had a major role to play in those days. That is absent now as the Malayalam music scene today is IMHO pathetic to say the least.

      First of all Parvathy is an overrated actress. I believe the original Parvathy was better actress but didn't get her due. Parvathy shines in a particular set of roles which suits the realistic cinema. Trust me, she would have struggled in mainstream cinema during 80s and 90s. Do you remember her performance in Flash??. Now the particular set of roles means she gets an author backed character and mostly have a serious image. Also the movie has to be well shot. Else its MY STORY. Her Portuguese version is a classic stuff.

      Yesudas being dormant is the reason why Malayalam cinema has lost its rendering quality along with emergence of mp3 followed by youtube revenue. Now a fast paced instant hit is preferred over a classical original stuff. So what happens? We have Gopi Sundar and co. And how many of these singers of today can do justice to Anthiveyil Ponnuthirum...., Athmaavin Pusthaka.... Padakaali.... & Pramadhavanam....? I see most are either trying to imitate Karthik style and remaining increasing the bass to be the next Yesudas. Remaining life Mdhu Balakrishnan will be singing old Yesudas songs to show his relevance!!!

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