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      Ee series pottillennu urapppayi. Baappottikku ee varsham nallathennu thonnunnu. Aarattu hit aakumoyennu nokkatte
      oola pitch . India WTC final il keraan vendi orukkiya pitch.part time spinner root polum 5 wkt eduthu.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ittichen View Post
      oola pitch . India WTC final il keraan vendi orukkiya pitch.part time spinner root polum 5 wkt eduthu.
      India fan aayalum ingane oru pitchinodu yojikkan vayya... turn is not bad... even if it is huge turn! But, uneven turn and bounce is not acceptable. This pitch gave uneven turn and low bounce at many times. That is why many batsmen got out to straight balls while playing for the turn. Kohli and Rahane thanne classic examples... both of them played for turn and got defeated by the ball coming straight on, even when it was obvious in replays that the seam of the ball was aligned in a way that would make the ball turn. It is this problem faced by the to order batsmen that led to many lower order batsmen playing rash shots, and England going too much on the attack in the second innings. Worst part was Kohli publicly defending the pitch saying that batsmen did not show application. Commentators also seemed to be finding reasons to justify the pitch. The most common explanation offered was that Indian spinners 'undercut' the ball allowing the natural variation of the pitch to come into play more. Honestly, in nearly 30 years of of watching cricket, I have not heard of such advantages to 'undercutting' the ball, even by the best spin experts. IMO, England lost this match by pre-meditating that pink ball test would be dominated by seamers and picking 3 of them and only one spinner. They picked the bowling attack for the pink ball and not for the pitch. India picked the best bowlers for the pitch irrespective of the ball. If England had one more specialist spinner, the result could have been different. I'm surprised the so-called experts panel is not discussing this. Seems that the BCCI agenda of not letting the pitch down is being driven too hard.

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      Normally I don’t post anything these days, veruthe arguments sake oronnu paranjit karyamila Adu konda. But this Gaga about pitch is absolutely ridiculous. You are an international team and if you can’t play in all conditions, you shut up and prepare for it rather than whining all day. It’s no secret that india also are not great against spinners these days. Gone are the days when we had the best players of spin right from openers to number7.

      Adu Avide nikate, Ini to the pitch- 21/30 dismissals were to mere straight deliveries. That had more to do with fear of pitch, pink ball and lack of defense more than pitch. Pine Root 5 wickets is something they are using to support their argument about wicket, did anybody see how he got those 5 wickets? How many were coz of great balls? Pant, Ashwin and Axar just threw it away. If a person keeps on saying the same thing over and over again , will it become truth? It’s quite sad that some of the Indians also feel this way. Yes test ended in 2 days which ain’t good. But pitch was probably the last reason for that. Major other reasons were lack of skills, pink ball, fear of pitch.

      and Ian bell run out controversy nadanna time fair play paranju karanja England fans and Andy flower thanne newzeland grand Eliot run out case remained silent and went on with appeal . Double standards? You get pure green wickets in 2014 and 2018 lords test. Fair?Micheal Vaughan pole ulla oolakal parayunna ketu sheriya ennu orkunna Nammal oke naive aanu sherikum .
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      Just saw Ashwin’s press conference today. He echoes my thoughts
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mangalassery Neelakantan View Post
      Normally I donít post anything these days, veruthe arguments sake oronnu paranjit karyamila Adu konda. But this Gaga about pitch is absolutely ridiculous. You are an international team and if you canít play in all conditions, you shut up and prepare for it rather than whining all day. Itís no secret that india also are not great against spinners these days. Gone are the days when we had the best players of spin right from openers to number7.

      Adu Avide nikate, Ini to the pitch- 21/30 dismissals were to mere straight deliveries. That had more to do with fear of pitch, pink ball and lack of defense more than pitch. Pine Root 5 wickets is something they are using to support their argument about wicket, did anybody see how he got those 5 wickets? How many were coz of great balls? Pant, Ashwin and Axar just threw it away. If a person keeps on saying the same thing over and over again , will it become truth? Itís quite sad that some of the Indians also feel this way. Yes test ended in 2 days which ainít good. But pitch was probably the last reason for that. Major other reasons were lack of skills, pink ball, fear of pitch.

      and Ian bell run out controversy nadanna time fair play paranju karanja England fans and Andy flower thanne newzeland grand Eliot run out case remained silent and went on with appeal . Double standards? You get pure green wickets in 2014 and 2018 lords test. Fair?Micheal Vaughan pole ulla oolakal parayunna ketu sheriya ennu orkunna Nammal oke naive aanu sherikum .
      21 out of 30 dismissals to straight deliveries is the problematic stat here. You think Virat Kohli and Rahane can't pick an arm ball? The problem was balls that were released with traditional off break seam postion did not turn on all occasions. There were patches on the pitch that supported turn more than other areas on the pitch. Bounce and turn are fine as long as they are even. But non-uniform turn and bounce on day 1 is not acceptable. Michael Vaughan is a cry baby. His opinions are not worth anything. The Chennai pitch was fine because turn and bounce were even for at least first 2 days. Ahmedabad pitch is not acceptable! If England had one more spinner, this test match could have been a completely toss-dependent result.

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      Quote Originally Posted by sethumadhavan View Post
      21 out of 30 dismissals to straight deliveries is the problematic stat here. You think Virat Kohli and Rahane can't pick an arm ball? The problem was balls that were released with traditional off break seam postion did not turn on all occasions. There were patches on the pitch that supported turn more than other areas on the pitch. Bounce and turn are fine as long as they are even. But non-uniform turn and bounce on day 1 is not acceptable. Michael Vaughan is a cry baby. His opinions are not worth anything. The Chennai pitch was fine because turn and bounce were even for at least first 2 days. Ahmedabad pitch is not acceptable! If England had one more spinner, this test match could have been a completely toss-dependent result.

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      Ok letís take a step back first, Rahane? Seriously? He is horrible against spin. I love Rahane make no mistake, but he has literally struggled against spin all his life. Kohli picked the straight one and was playing comfortably until a lapse of concentration. Why we felt Rohit was never in trouble? Again itís the mindset . Exactly what Ashwin told. We have to accept the fact that we are horrible against spin except for May be Rohit, pant and kohli. Axar patels main weapon is straight ball, the problem here was pink ball. Both india and England couldnít adjust against the way it skid . There was nothing worse than in this pitch than what we saw in chennai. Itís just coz the batting was so bad, we tend to fall into this trap of believing wicket was really bad. These are international players, they gotta learn playing with pink ball. India did so much better in the second innings.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sethumadhavan View Post
      21 out of 30 dismissals to straight deliveries is the problematic stat here. You think Virat Kohli and Rahane can't pick an arm ball? The problem was balls that were released with traditional off break seam postion did not turn on all occasions. There were patches on the pitch that supported turn more than other areas on the pitch. Bounce and turn are fine as long as they are even. But non-uniform turn and bounce on day 1 is not acceptable. Michael Vaughan is a cry baby. His opinions are not worth anything. The Chennai pitch was fine because turn and bounce were even for at least first 2 days. Ahmedabad pitch is not acceptable! If England had one more spinner, this test match could have been a completely toss-dependent result.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mangalassery Neelakantan View Post
      Normally I donít post anything these days, veruthe arguments sake oronnu paranjit karyamila Adu konda. But this Gaga about pitch is absolutely ridiculous. You are an international team and if you canít play in all conditions, you shut up and prepare for it rather than whining all day. Itís no secret that india also are not great against spinners these days. Gone are the days when we had the best players of spin right from openers to number7.

      Adu Avide nikate, Ini to the pitch- 21/30 dismissals were to mere straight deliveries. That had more to do with fear of pitch, pink ball and lack of defense more than pitch. Pine Root 5 wickets is something they are using to support their argument about wicket, did anybody see how he got those 5 wickets? How many were coz of great balls? Pant, Ashwin and Axar just threw it away. If a person keeps on saying the same thing over and over again , will it become truth? Itís quite sad that some of the Indians also feel this way. Yes test ended in 2 days which ainít good. But pitch was probably the last reason for that. Major other reasons were lack of skills, pink ball, fear of pitch.

      and Ian bell run out controversy nadanna time fair play paranju karanja England fans and Andy flower thanne newzeland grand Eliot run out case remained silent and went on with appeal . Double standards? You get pure green wickets in 2014 and 2018 lords test. Fair?Micheal Vaughan pole ulla oolakal parayunna ketu sheriya ennu orkunna Nammal oke naive aanu sherikum .
      ee 21/30 straight balls ennath okke enth argument aanu

      kali kandavarkku ariyam odd balls turns like anything from first day first session athupole ashwine nte oru ball root front footil defend cheyyan nokkiyappo shoulder level aayirunnu bounce

      So ivide length pick cheyyan paadu aanu pitchinte unpredictability kondu,eeth spin cheyyum eeth bounce cheyyum eeth straight varum ennu pick cheyyan pattilla

      athanu kohli,root pole ee generationil thanne eetavum nannayi spin kalikunna players polum ethra nokkiyittum creasil settle aakan pattathath

      First test pole flat wicket ittal england chilappo run adichittu erinju edum ini conventional pink ball nu pattiya swinging condition aanel anderson,broad,archer ullond athum risk aanu

      Athukondu safer side aayittu BCCI yude poozhi kadakan aaay kuzhi kuthi doctored pitch undakki engane enkilum test championship kalikkuka

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      Final loards il aayondu england nalla pacha paravathaani viricha pitch aakum orukkunnath

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sanker Das View Post
      ee 21/30 straight balls ennath okke enth argument aanu

      kali kandavarkku ariyam odd balls turns like anything from first day first session athupole ashwine nte oru ball root front footil defend cheyyan nokkiyappo shoulder level aayirunnu bounce

      So ivide length pick cheyyan paadu aanu pitchinte unpredictability kondu,eeth spin cheyyum eeth bounce cheyyum eeth straight varum ennu pick cheyyan pattilla

      athanu kohli,root pole ee generationil thanne eetavum nannayi spin kalikunna players polum ethra nokkiyittum creasil settle aakan pattathath

      First test pole flat wicket ittal england chilappo run adichittu erinju edum ini conventional pink ball nu pattiya swinging condition aanel anderson,broad,archer ullond athum risk aanu

      Athukondu safer side aayittu BCCI yude poozhi kadakan aaay kuzhi kuthi doctored pitch undakki engane enkilum test championship kalikkuka
      Exactly.. 21 out of 30 straight ballsinu out aayathu..arm ball pick cheyyan ariyathathu kondalla... Marichu turn cheyyan uddheshichu eriyunna panthukalil chilathu turn cheythum chilathu turn cheyyathathum kondanu. Allathe match kazhinju 5 minute kondu ellarum ore pole synchronised opinion parayenda karyamilla. Turn is acceptable on first day, like Chennai second test! But uneven turn on day 1 is not acceptable. Uneven turn as a result of bowlers' footmarks on day 3,4 is also ok. This pitch was not like that. Chennai first test pitch was also not great and too dependent on toss!

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